Team Britannia

The Government's insistence on promoting Britishness just gets more and more embarrassing for all concerned. First up is Jim Sheriden's Early Day Motion (EDM 2496) on a UK National Olympic Team:

That this House welcomes the assurances given by FIFA that a 2012 Olympics UK football team would not undermine any of the home countries' ability to compete in their own right in future events; and further notes that football should not be any different from other competing sports and our young talent should be allowed to show their skills on the world stage.

I note with some amusement that we've moved from it being a British Olympic team to a United Kingdom Olympic team, even though the United Kingdom doesn't actually compete in the Olympics. Irrespective of the nomenclature Pete Wishart with his amendment has something to say about the whole concept:

leave out from `FIFA' to end and add `concerning a 2012 Olympics UK football team; but remains very concerned about the proposals for a 2012 Olympics football team; believes that any such plans could threaten the independence of the Scottish football team; supports the Scottish Football Association (SFA), the Tartan Army and the vast majority of Scotland fans in opposing a GB team; notes that any assurance from FIFA will not be worth the paper it is written on when other footballing nations concerned about the home nations' separate arrangements will look upon a GB team as a precedent; believes that nothing must be done to threaten Scotland's international football team; and calls upon the Prime Minister, the Secretary of State for Scotland and hon. Members representing Scottish constituencies to support the SFA and the Tartan Army in resisting a GB team.'.

Well said. Wishart has also complained to FIFA over government interference, which could lead to all four home nations being banned from international competition. It's a hefty price to pay, but it's a price that I - as an England supporter - am prepared to pay in order to prevent the foundation of "Team Britain". Why can't we just do the sensible thing and have a Home Nations Tournament to decide which nation represents Britain? That was my proposal, and it's now been adopted by David Cameron.

The second embarrassing Britishness moment was Andrew Rosindell's call to rename Trooping the Colour "Britannia Day" for all British Israelites to celebrate together, as one:

Any proposal for a British day—whatever it is to be called—would not be a United Kingdom day but would encompass all people from the British isles and all those descended from the people of these islands, wherever they live in the world. I understand that the hon. Gentleman does not agree with the concept of the United Kingdom, but should he not separate that from the idea that all of us, himself included, are people who come from the British isles?

Unfortunately the satire of William Blake was missing from the Commons, but at least Pete Wishart was there to inject some common sense:

I encourage the hon. Gentleman to stop thinking about Britishness day. What is wrong with Englishness day? I see a rise in a good, positive Englishness, which has been reclaimed. I very much welcome that. The day that the Union Jack comes down off this House and the St. George's Cross goes up is the day that our two nations will have arrived at a 21st-century relationship. I very much look forward to that day.

Amen to that. The very idea of a worldwide Britannia Day summons up the alternate nightmare visions of something extremely kitch, a British version of Tartan Day; or a mass demonstration against the arms trade and Iraq war, or perhaps in support of slavery reparations.

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My take on the idea of

My take on the idea of holding a Home Nations tournament to decide which nation gets the 'honour' of representing Great Britain / the United Kingdom at football is to make it the loser of the tournament that gets to do it! That will give the Scots a real incentive to beat England!

Beyond the flippant point, I think there are still potential problems for the future of the separate FAs if a Team GB / UK gets going at all, however it's selected. Would the Scots - supposing they actually managed to beat England (dig!) - want to put their separate status at risk in this way? Hence the appeal of 'loser takes all'!

"I think there are still

"I think there are still potential problems for the future of the separate FAs if a Team GB / UK gets going at all, however it’s selected."

I would agree with Britologywatch. The danger of a playoff competition for the Olympics is that FIFA then say, "Wonderful, now you can do that for all the competitions. We don't care how you pick your Team GB as long as there's only one team from Britain in all competitions playing as Britain."

No, it would just be the

No, it would just be the England team, in an England kit, playing on behalf of Britain.

No disrespect to Scotland ;-)

It wouldn't be much good for the Scottish team to take part. If they won gold the fans would have to boo God Save the Queen and pull down the goal posts.

"No, it would just be the

"No, it would just be the England team, in an England kit, playing on behalf of Britain."

Toque, that's what it's going to be however you choose it. Since England has 85% of the population even if all nations are equally good at football a British football team will be 9 Englishmen a Scot and a half Welsh half Northern Irish goalie.

That's why the English FA aren't bothered about FIFA. They will simply have a name change and become the British FA and the British team will be pretty much unchanged from the then current English Team.

The rest of the world will still think of it as England anyway.

It's not something I feel

It's not something I feel passionate about Doug, I've never been bothered about the lack of a British team at the Olympics, and I've never watched Olympic football. This is happening because the London Olympics need football, not because football needs the Olympics.

Frankly I'd rather that we had no team at all, but if we have to have one then a Home Nations tournament is the only acceptable answer for me. It might not be English, we don't have that great a record against other British teams.

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