The Power2010 Pick n Mix Pledge

Power2010 have revealed the five reforms that will form the Power2010 Pledge.

The most popular proposals that will make up the POWER Pledge are a proportional voting system, the end of ID cards and government data hoarding, an elected House of Lords, English votes on English laws, and a commitment to drawing up a written constitution.

Commenting, Power2010 Director, Pam Giddy, said:

“Some of the ideas that proved popular with the public will surprise many. In particular a commitment to give MPs representing English constituencies the sole right to agree English laws. But whether you agree with this or not, there is no denying that it is a real issue that the political classes have ignored for too long."

I don't think the inclusion of English Votes on English Laws surprises that many people outside the constitutional reform lobby. After all, in 2008 the Hansard Audit of Political Engagement found that Scottish MPs' voting rights was the constitutional issue that most annoyed voters. When that report was published I asked why the West Lothian Question was "the constitutional issue that is most keenly ignored by political parties and the least salient of issues for constitutional reformers". The only surprising thing is that Pam Giddy is surprised, hasn't she heard that the latest British Social Attitudes survey found that 61% of the public believe that Scottish MPs should not be able to vote on English legislation? Obviously not.

It's amusing that she blames the "political classes" for ignoring this issue. It's not just the political classes who have been ignoring it, the entire constitutional reform lobby have been ignoring it too, presumably because it is unfashionable or deemed politically incorrect to assert majority rights. But that's democracy, and we have Power2010 to thank for bringing this issue to the constitutional reform table at long last.

The Power2010 press release continues (my bold):

The next phase of the campaign will see voters asked to commit their support to a majority of the proposals – at least three – and then challenge every candidate at the next general election to support them too.

You what? Where did this "at least three" come from and when was that decided? My understanding was that prospective MPs would be lobbied to sign up to a pledge that included five reforms, not that the lobbyists - us voters - would pick three that we were comfortable with and ask the prospective MPs to support those. That also appeared to be Helena Kennedy's understanding, or at least I presume it was given what she wrote in the Independent:

Over the months before the general election we are going to build this public agenda for changing politics and stage a mass popular "vote" for the five reforms people most want to see the next Parliament carry through.

This is the Power2010 Pledge; a public commitment that every candidate standing at the next election will be asked to make.

Still, whatever the reason for the "at least three" ruling it may be no bad thing from an English standpoint.

Few will argue with dismatling the database state, only a few will argue with electing the Lords, but proportional representation and a written constitution are immensely problematic; PR because the Tories & Labour don't want to break their bipartisan hold on power and the link between MP and constituency, and a written constitution because it is a herculean task (not to mention that fact that we have Common Law and don't need a codified constitution).

This might at least make some MPs think about signing up to EVoEL, whereas if they had to sign up to all five reforms many would dismiss the pledge out of hand. And from this we may discover which MPs are friends of England.

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Power2010, an apology

David Rickard (aka BritologyWatch) has an article on Our Kingdom entitled "And then there were three: the Power 2010 pledge", it's well worth a read.

In regard to the "three" I feel that I have an apology to make to some of you for unwittingly misleading

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The public vote has led to a

The public vote has led to a very strong Pledge in my view - a great mix of ideas. I agree it's important that the national question be addressed. If even three of these ideas were to be implemented it would be transformative and a step forward.

Some campaigners will no doubt leap on this majoritarian approach and say it's a way of side-stepping their issue, but it's just a question of being realistic. It's like saying "These 5 ideas all enjoy strong popular support and legitimacy and, even though I may not back all of them, I think there should be a public debate on the urgent issues they raise."

Just consider: how many campaigns are there where the agenda is decided through a totally open process of voting and deliberation engaging people on both the left and the right? If you want to keep broad appeal and engage as many people as possible, asking for majority support for a popular pledge, and consideration of all five, is realistic. Otherwise, "all or nothing" would mean no Tories, who refuse PR etc. This allows an honest dialogue to take place. If someone is against a particular reform they will need to say why publicly.

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I don't disagree with the

I don't disagree with the logic Guy, it's obvious that prospective MPs are more likely to sign up to three issues than five. But why was this "at least three" not stated from the beginning?

I feel like I've been duped by Power2010, and this is for the second time now, the previous time being when Alan Trench and his fellow completely neutral experts put the kibosh on an English parliament.

Empty Pledges

"The Five most popular ideas following the vote will become the Power 2010 pledge and the focus of our nationwide Campaign at the next election". That was the basis on which Power 2010 appealed for votes. It is unequivocal.

Twenty-four hours after completion of voting, Power 2010 is reneging on that commitment. We are now told that a majority or "at least three" of the five most popular ideas will be the focus of the campaign. Pam Giddy's lack of enthusiasm for the fourth most popular, English Votes on English Laws is palpable. Are we now expected to believe that it is a coincidence that adopting the first three, rather than the first five, would exclude EVoEL?

This is not just moving the goalposts, it is redefining the position of the goalposts after the game in order to exclude two goals. Those who voted in this exercise did so on the basis of the original commitment set out on the website and may well have voted differently if the pitch had been to Campaign only on three issues. For an organisation which claims to be in favour of improving democracy to seek to avoid the outcome of the vote in this transparent way is utterly shameful. It will leave the organisation with no credibility.

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It's not the top three, it's

It's not the top three, it's "at least three" of the five.

"The next phase of the campaign will see voters asked to commit their support to a majority of the proposals – at least three – and then challenge every candidate at the next general election to support them too."

The introduction of the "at least three" rule means that it can be ignored by members of all the organisations that we were competing against to get EVoEL into the top three. Unlock Democracy, for example, will just ask their supporters to lobby prospective MPs on the three issues that Unlock Democracy endorse.

From a CEP point of view getting EVoEL in the top five is pretty meaningless, and it means that we've sold the Power2010 campaign to our supporters on a false prospectus. Very annoying. And utterly shameful and underhand for them to introduce this rule at this stage in procedings.

POWER2010 will not be

POWER2010 will not be campaigning on just 3 issues: it will be campaigning on all 5 issues, including English votes. It will campaign just as vigorously for EVoEL as it will for PR. Our partners and supporters have never pre-committed themselves to campaigning on everything we come up with and we never said they would. Of course they reserve the right to not campaign on the Pledge if they don't want to, they are autonomous organisations and individuals. I hear that a version of English Votes on English Laws is going to be on in the Labour manifesto anyway (non-English MPs will be "asked" not to vote on English laws) - EVoEL is not the only, or even, the most divisive, reform.

Power wants a Pledge that will appeal cross party. No Tories and few Labour supporters could sign up to PR, but we want to have a space to have the discussion and they will be lobbied on it.

Also, there was no attempt to "fix" the vote. There was healthy competition with other organisations pushing their reforms - nothing wrong with that. English campaigners got it on the Pledge. Great. Why not react positively to this?

Ask yourselves, how many campaigns do you actually know where the goals are decided by an open process of voting and deliberation engaging people from both left and right? Rowntree didn't have to spend its money this way. But it chose to as it wanted to highlight issues with genuine popular support. Why not positively embrace this and see how it can be linked to other issues and concerns within the Pledge, such as a written constitution, and taken forward? Constant sniping, demanding that Rowntrees explain itself to you and accusing it of a conspiracy, won't help the cause of English democracy.

So the point was?

I assumed, in my naivety, that Power2010 had intended “fix” the problem of the people disengaging with politics.

I actually believed they intended to seek root and branch opinion. Then take the top 5 most popular proposals (no matter how “surprising”) to the political establishment in the form of a Pledge, which they’d be asked to “sign up to”.

If I’d known in the beginning (ie if they’d stated their intent upfront) that they would take the Pledge and ask the establishment to pick “at least three” measures that they already agreed with, I wouldn’t have bothered.

The whole exercise was a waste of time at best, and a fiddle at worst.

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"Why not react positively to

"Why not react positively to this?"

I'm not reacting negatively to the fact that it's in the top five. It's the conduct of Power2010 that I'm complaining about.

Power 2010

'English Votes for English Laws' is one of the few reforms that has a good prospect of being implemented since it is notionally among the pledges given by the Tories who are likely to form the next government. They have already backtracked on their original proposal and as presently stated (by Ken Clarke) it will not prevent Scots and Welsh MPs voting on English-only legislation. Power2010 therefore needs to emphasise the placing of this reform in its top five, link it to the British Social Attitudes Survey, and persuade the Tories to make it a real reform.

Which MPs would vote for EVoEL?

Only 114 MPs could be arsed to respond to the IPPR's survey on the English Question. This apathy/disdain alone shows exactly why we need an English Parliament and exposes precisely why the British Parliament has failed England and the English.

Of those Tories who could be arsed to respond 90%+ wanted EVoEL. This means that about 50 Tories would support it in Power 2010's lobbying campaign. Actually perhaps even less as Power 2010's approach to EVoEL would be as disdainful as that of those MPs who could not be arsed to respond to the IPPR survey. Power 2010 would do its utmost to get MPs not to choose EVoEL. This would be easy as MPs could not care less about England.

It is my sincere view that we have not had such a disgraceful bunch of politicians in Westminster since the Rotten Boroughs.

If I had my way I would take their property and pensions from them and give the proceeds to the English people.

Power2010

I wonder, did we enter into a Contract with Power 2010 when we voted on the understanding that the top five would form the basis of the Pledge?

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