Power2010, an apology

David Rickard (aka BritologyWatch) has an article on Our Kingdom entitled "And then there were three: the Power 2010 pledge", it's well worth a read.

In regard to the "three" I feel that I have an apology to make to some of you for unwittingly misleading you. It was my understanding that the Power2010 Pledge would be an indivisible five point pledge, as implied by Helena Kennedy:

Over the months before the general election we are going to build this public agenda for changing politics and stage a mass popular "vote" for the five reforms people most want to see the next Parliament carry through.

This is the Power2010 Pledge; a public commitment that every candidate standing at the next election will be asked to make.

But no. Our politicians are not going to be asked to commit to the pledge in its entirety; instead the voters are going to pick "at least three" of the top five reforms and ask their parliamentary candidates to commit to those. According to Power2010's Guy Aitchison, this change in the rules was instituted because:

It was decided collectively by the Power2010 team in discussion with partner organisations over the course of the Vote. Some partners were concerned things like PR would preclude them from supporting the Pledge.

In other words they changed the rules mid-vote and didn't tell you about it. Like you I wasn't informed of that decision, and I don't know why the change wasn't indicated on the Power2010 website.

In a comment on David's article I explain why I wanted English Votes on English Laws in the top five.

I took a strategic decision to support EVoEL, and the basis of that decision was that these major reforms should not be undertaken without consideration of the English Question. It was my understanding that the five top reforms would form the Power2010 Pledge that prospective MPs would be lobbied to commit to in its entirety, thereby forcing constitutional reformers to consider the English dimension alongside the other constitutional reforms. It is my view that the other reforms in the top five (with the exception of ID cards/database state) should not be undertaken without resolution - or at the very least, consideration - of the English Question. Unfortunately Power2010 changed the rules without informing us, and after voting finished we found out that, actually, voters would be required to agree with only "at least three" of the top five reforms and ask their candidates to commit to those. So unfortunately the likes of Unlock Democracy and their cohorts can now just urge their supporters to support three reforms without consideration of the English Question.

Unfortunately it also means that I've unwittingly convinced a lot of people to vote for EVoEL on a false prospectus. We should have been told that it was a pick n mix pledge. To say that I'm extremely annoyed that we weren't told is something of an understatement - Power2010 is devalued as a result.

So to those of you who I persuaded to vote for EVoEL on the understanding that that it would force the constitutional reform lobby to support it, I apologise. I was naive, I was misled. I should have known that they would somehow wriggle out of it.

On the plus side, at least EVoELs is in the top five, and that fact may still help force a debate on the English Question. If I did persuade you to vote, then I thank you. I hope that it doesn't turn out to be a waste of your time.

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The Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust

There's a hum-dinger of a post from Anthony Barnett on Our Kingdom:

Particularly worrying here for anyone concerned with the fate of democracy in this country is the role of the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, which is and will remain the strategic funder

Pam Giddy Replies

Pam Giddy has posted on Our Kingdom to clear up the confusion over the "at least three" rule change.

When we start asking supporters to take the Pledge to their candidates, it is exactly that - the Pledge, all five parts - that we will ask them to take.

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I told you so, Toque, I told you so. This group has done exactly the same with the EU Referendum which, even though your don't embrace it as a priority, nevertheless is a major issue at the moment - see the Bruges Group, Honouryourpledge and other groups around the country.

Power 2010 is a cynical ploy to define issues we are all concerned with as Brits [no mention of English here], they do tricky little selection things such as what you wrote here and then present it as the people's voice.

Bullsh, excuse my French.

You are a different kettle of fish. We disagree on direction but you are a stalwart, you have never deviated form your goal and you are respected because if it.

All power to the English Free Press.

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Hi James, actually I do think

Hi James, actually I do think that a referendum on the EU is a priority. A lot of people - including me - feel let down because the big three lied to us over the question of a referendum on Lisbon.

Where we differ, I think, is about the extent to which the EU Question and the English Question are interconnected. Where there is a connection is that on both issues our political class are afraid of allowing the public the opportunity to choose - it is a question of popular sovereignty, or rather a lack of it. It is about power and control.

Unlike you - and UKIP - I don't believe that our continued membership of the EU is a roadblock to an English parliament. I do concede however that euro-fedealists will do all they can to prevent an EP (so our EU membership does raise obstacles). This euro-federalist obstacle is compounded by the fact that those opposed to a federal EU often regard an EP as part of the 'balkanisation of Britain' and are therefore opposed to it, even though it doesn't fit in with the 'Europe of the Regions' model.

Are you sure about this? My

Are you sure about this? My reading of Pam Giddy's piece:

http://www.leftfootforward.org/2010/02/power-2010-electoral-reform-top-p...

is that people who want to sign the pledge can do so if they support three OR MORE of the proposed reforms.

I didn't read it to say that only three were to be taken forward. However it wouldn't surprise me if that turned out to be the case!

Whatever happens you have nothing to apologise for. If it does turn out to be only three at least we will have exposed POWER 2010 as an undemocratic LIB Dem/CFER/Charter orchestrated farce.

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They/We have to support "at

They/We have to support "at least three" of the reforms, or we can support all five if we want, and ask prospective MPs to commit to them. The point is that the people who don't want to discuss the English Question can just leave EVoEL out of the equation, which is not what I understood to be the case when I voted for it. See the wording of the press release.

The point is, they changed

The point is, they changed the rules because they considered MPs would not support one of the five and then throw out the whole pledge.

That reason alone invalidates the whole point of Power 2010. What the reason is really saying is, "we don't want to put forward all five reasons because we are cowardly, we do not agree with one of the five and we started this whole charade as a sop".

What is the point of putting proposals in front of MPs that they will only accept?

We were lead to believe that Power 2010 was about bringing what people want to the political debate at election time. It was supposedly about re-engaging the electorate with the political process and empowering them. Instead we have an extension of the existing system of political disengagement and dishonesty.

The 3 out of 5 decision is tantamount to accepting defeat and that parliamentary candidates do indeed hold the power and that their intransigence prevails. Not to mention the Anglophobia.

What a waste of time.

I would like to say that no apology was needed. I do not support EVoEL, but voted for it just to get the English Question debated. I did so with my sceptical eyes already open.

However, I reiterate, the CEP should now ask for candidates to stand in the election and run local campaigns to raise money.

Power 2010 and the pathetic response of British MPs to the IPPR survey on the English Question exposes that the campaign must be escalated.

Why play by the rules of impartiality when every organisation is stacked against England and the English people? There is no sense in it, to be honest.

We owe the political classes nothing and certainly we owe nothing to the LibLabCON!

One English Parliament candidate in each English county is enough. Independent candidates fighting on local issues should be persuaded to support a referendum on an English Parliament and backed with money and support on the ground in return.

English Parliament

Whichever route we take, however we get there, we want an English Parliament. That's the bottom line. Anything less, through all this "adjustment" trickery or whatever, means we won't get it. This is my reason for being in Albion Alliance, it's my reason for being in politics - to do my little bit to give the English back their nation.

Power 2010 is not supporting this.

Stephen Gash I joined the CEP

Stephen Gash

I joined the CEP several years ago, and at that time asked why the campaign didn't support a member to seek election.

I was told that the CEP was a pressure group and non political, which seemed bizarre to me at the time, I allowed my membership to lapse through frustration although I still supported the aims.

I have recently renewed my membership again and will stay a member now till the end...bitter or otherwise... so was pleased to see that I was/am not alone in the idea of fielding a member to stand for election, a foot in the Westminster door, or anywhere on the political scene, would be a massive coup, Funding would of course be a problem, perhaps we should start searching for a supportive benefactor?.

Can I say that I think the "battle bus" is a great Idea, I look forwards to it's visit to South Devon (Exeter).

Pam Giddy has replied to the

Pam Giddy has replied to the issues raised in David's article and elsewhere, addressing some of the questions about the process and how the Pledge will be taken forward:
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/pam-giddy/how-will-power2010-tak...

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