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English Lobby

Communication between the English Democrats and the English Lobby

Here's an example of the sort of intelligent high-level communication that occurs between the English Democrats Party and The English Lobby. Steve Uncles is the Director of Communications for the English Democrats, and Alan England is the Director of The England Lobby, an organisation set up by Robin Tilbrook, leader of the English Democrats.

Steve Uncles

It's interesting that Alan England, who was kicked out of the English Democrats after a very public falling out with Steve Uncles, is back in the fold and in possession of his very own email address.

Presumably I'm now bracketed as someone with a funny-sounding foreign name, and as such someone - along with John Demetriou - who is un-English, anti-English, and to be deported should the EDP ever come to power. Or perhaps deportation would be too good for me, after-all the EDP were in bed with a far-right neo-nazi party whose policy was to reintroduce the gibbet.

Alan England, who as 'Cassie' holds court for the English Democrats on the British Democracy Forum, offered this opinion on John Demetriou.

"The indications are that Dimeeteeooo is of Greek national or ethnic origin, assuming he was born here, who presumes to sneer at all things in England! Instead of tolerating such creeps - as we English people have in the past - we should ostracise them, shun 'em, let 'em know we are not going to put up with their bad manners without protest.

After all, if it is really so despicable here, they can always go the land of their forebears and save valuable space here. With luck, they might even enjoy another military junta, which could be more to their sour taste.

Such pieces as Dimeeteeooo's serve to encourage right thinking English folk that something needs to be done to rid us of all those foreigners who do not want to fit in but impose their ideas on us, whether they come from north or west of the borders or from further afield!"

The other recipient of this email, Martin Butler, may be the person that is responsible for one of the EDP's fake Facebook accounts. He lives on the Isle of Wight, so it would make sense for him to control the Isla White Facebook account and parrot Steve Uncles.


I wonder why Robin Tilbrook sanctions this type of behaviour, the man must have the morals of a dog.

Civic Nationalism is not "stupid"

The English Independence Party is an ethnic nationalist party set up after, or possibly during, the fall of the civic nationalist Free England Party. It joins the growing ranks* of other ethno-nationalist groups ranging from the England First Party, white nationalists; The BNP, British but in favour of an English 'Volk parliament'; United England Patriots and English Shieldwall, Anglo-Saxon revivalists, and; Steadfast and the English Lobby, both supporters of majority rights for the ethnic English.

There is overlap between these groups but ideologically speaking they are a somewhat disparate collection of ethno-nationalists. Some might be more correctly termed white-nationalists and others cultural-nationalists, but even the more culturally orientated delve into areas of race. The English Lobby, for example, has recently launched a petition to "preserve the White English ethnic group identity".

The other common link that these ethnic nationalists share is a dislike of, or lack of trust for, civic nationalists. So it's perhaps no surprise that new English Independence Party launched into an attack on English civic nationalism with one of the first posts to the English Independence Party blog (originally publically available but now hidden from view).

Civic English Nationalism

There's little point fisking this, it doesn't need it. But as a civic nationalist I do feel the need to reply and hopefully inject a bit of reason. I have some insight into ethnic nationalist insecurities through discussions with them on this blog, when they have come to inform me that I am an idiot and to tell me that only the ethnic English can be English. Ethnic nationalists understand 'civic nationalism' to be code for multiculturalism, and they feel that a civic, plural and inclusive English national identity will render Englishness as meaningless as they feel British identity has become. I don't share that insecurity. I want people from other races, religions and cultures that make England their home to feel a sense of belonging, to feel English. In my speech to the Convention on Modern Liberty I asked the audience to ask themselves three questions:

  1. What is my ethnic identity?
  2. What is my national identity?
  3. What is my state identity, my citizenship?

Given England's constitutional status it is perfectly possible, and unfortunately probable, that second, third or fourth generation immigrants will not answer "English" to any of those three questions. That's bad for England. My civic nationalism is about allowing people who are not ethnically English to feel English by national identity, which I hope will help instill a sense of pride in England's cultural heritage and collective national identity, despite the fact - or even because of the fact - that they are not ethnically English. I want to bring us together as a nation, not by being prescriptive, but by providing a gateway into a feeling for England through civic and democratic means. By railing against English civic nationalism as "stupid" the ethnic nationalists are not only a reaction to the multiculturalism they despise, they are an integral part of it. We have arrived at the position whereby each and every ethnic group competes for their 'rights', the logical endpoint of multiculturalism as described by Paul Kingsnorth:

Britain now is a ‘cosmopolitan’ society in which no one cultural identity has pre-eminence, and in which Englishness, Polishness and Bangladeshiness must compete on equal terms. The nation’s many ‘minorities’ are not to be integrated into mainstream society (‘integrated’ is such a problematic word; and anyway, what is the mainstream?) but fenced off, theoretically if not physically: defined as ‘BMEs’, afforded ‘protection’, treated as victims, spoken for. Descended from Pakistani immigrants but born in England? Sorry, you’re still ‘Pakistani’, or ‘Asian’ or’ ‘minority ethnic’. You can be British, if you like, because Britishness has been stripped of meaning and is therefore ‘inclusive’ – but you can never be English (or, presumably, Scottish or Welsh, though this gets less attention) because Englishness is ‘racially coded’. Attempts to define it are thus potentially racist; it’s best if the English just shut up about it and get on with ‘celebrating diversity’ instead.

Is a more inclusive English national identity a threat to the cultural identity of the ethnic English? I don't think so. It may undermine the racial coding of Englishness, but that would be no bad thing, and those ethnic nationalists who are more interested in protecting the cultural inheritance of England should think about the positive benefits of an immigrant population who respect - respect not tolerate - the ethnic English on the basis of a mutual respect and a shared national identity.

* To the starting list you might also add The English Defence League, but their ideology is somewhat unclear.

Why I didn't vote for the English Democrats this morning

As a supporter of the Campaign for an English Parliament I might today be expected to vote for the English Democrats Party who support an English parliament. This special election day post reveals why the English Democrats will not be receiving my vote.

The latest survey from YouGov (pdf) indicates that the English Democrats enjoy the support of 1% of the population, which rises to 3% in the North of England where they have some form of agreement with the holo-hoaxers of the England First Party (see English nationalism vs British nationalism). The exact nature of the arrangement between these two parties remains unspecified and there is no mention of it on the EDP's website. However, the website of the England First Party shows their members delivering leaflets for the English Democrats and speaking at the launch party.

If the English Democrats do poll well in the North, as YouGov suggests, then they will no doubt trumpet this arrangement as a success. But for me the ends do not justify the means, and as the EDP remain silent about their association with the England First Party we cannot even know what 'ends' have been agreed to.

In February the English Democrats 'five-year election strategist' - Steve Uncles - posted what can only be described as a racist joke on the British Democracy Forum.


A Polish guy drinks his beer then suddenly throws his glass in the air, pulls out a pistol and shoots the glass to pieces. He says, 'In Poland our glasses are so cheap that we don't need to drink from the same glass twice'

A Pakistani, obviously impressed by this, drinks his beer, throws the glass into the air, pulls out his AK-47 and shoots the glass to pieces.

He says, 'In Pakistan we have so much sand to make glasses that we don't need to drink out of the same glass twice either.'

A English chap, cool as a cucumber, picks up his beer and drinks it, throws the glass into the air, pulls out his gun and shoots the Pole and the Pakistani and catches his glass.

He says, 'In England we now have that many Pakistanis and Poles that we don't have to drink with the same ones twice.

God Bless England!

By April Steve Uncles had become the English Democrats lead candidate for the EU Parliament elections in the South East, a fact which led Bearded Socialist to ask "Should this guy ever be elected?". Two other questions spring immediately to mind: Should the English Democrats have allowed him to stand, and; Why didn't they force him to apologise or eject him from the party?

To date there has been no apology for this 'joke' from either the EDP or Steve Uncles, the lead candidate for my region. There is no way that I would vote for this man even if his 'official' line is somewhat different.

I look forward to the day when I can celebrate my English Identity, without the implication that I am 'Racist or a Bigot' - pride in one's Country is natural & healthy. - Steve Uncles

Presumably because a lack of pride in ones country is unnatural and unhealthy Steve Uncles then embarked on a series of distasteful attacks on Chris Lightfoot, all round good egg, genius, and online democracy and civil liberties campaigner, who tragically committed suicide. Tim Ireland takes up the case:

Rather than risk yet another ridiculous legal threat from yet another [expletive deleted], I'll mostly let Steve Uncle's own words speak for him in this post:

"You may recall the 'self hating' blogger - Chris Lightfoot, who in 2004, 'went off on one' just because he got a leaflet through his letter box with an England Flag on it. 18 Months ago the poor lad Committed Suicide - that's what happens when you hate your own country, you have no identity, no focus - nothing." - Steve Uncles, 30 May 2009

And just in case that wasn't enough:

"Good! Let's hope you go the same way as Chris Lightfoot" - Steve Uncles, 30 May 2009

And, as you can see, this is not a one-off or a 'moment of madness' but a theme that Steve Uncles keeps returning to:

"If we get the Liberal's way, and have a multi-cultural "soup" everywhere in the world - what fun will it be when we go abroad ? You self haters, really need to sharpen up you game. Chris Lightfoot, did not do ANYTHING for English Democracy. The guy was a waster." Steve Uncles, March 18, 2009

If another reason to not vote for Steve Uncles was needed, then his mocking of a suicide victim is it.

Then came the bizarre spat with blogger John Demetriou, which began when Alan England, former National Secretary of the English Democrats Party, now head of The English Lobby*, went on the attack over John's Greek surname:

The indications are that Dimeeteeooo is of Greek national or ethnic origin, assuming he was born here, who presumes to sneer at all things in England! Instead of tolerating such creeps - as we English people have in the past - we should ostracise them, shun 'em, let 'em know we are not going to put up with their bad manners without protest.

After all, if it is really so despicable here, they can always go the land of their forebears and save valuable space here. With luck, they might even enjoy another military junta, which could be more to their sour taste.

Such pieces as Dimeeteeooo's serve to encourage right thinking English folk that something needs to be done to rid us of all those foreigners who do not want to fit in but impose their ideas on us, whether they come from north or west of the borders or from further afield!

In the flame war that ensued Steve Uncles insisted that John Demetriou and anyone who was critical of the English Democrats and their manifesto, and in particular anyone who did not vote English Democrats, was "anti-English". Alan England (who goes by the handle Cassie on the British Democracy Forum) went further and referred to me as an anti-white racist. Another contributor he called "anti-white" and "racist" when they raised objection to the '14 words' that the England First Party use as their guiding principle, coined by David Lane: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children".

Now, kindly explain what is unacceptable about the aspiration: "we must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children" - Alan England

Eventually Steve Uncles was banned from the British Democracy Forum and crossed over to the CoSG forum to post the following challenge (which was almost immediately removed by the forum's administration - but not before I took a screenshot).

Steve Uncles

However much I agree with the principle of an English parliament I simply cannot bring myself to vote for a party that includes such odious individuals posting such odious material on public forums. I will leave the last word to Alan England himself whose thoughts on the conduct of the English Democrats when he fell out with them echo mine now:

England deserves much, much better than the English Democrats Party which is not truly democratic, nor does it accord long established rights to its members.

It is a counterfeit political party which too many of its members slavishly worship, instead of engaging their brains on something acceptable. They come here posting their inane comments, but hypocritically deny others similar opportunities to post comments on their websites.

* The English Lobby, relaunched at the English Democrats 2007 conference, was originally set up in 2004 by Christine Constable, the then Vice Chairman of the English Democrats, with support from two other parties: The Third Way and The Freedom Party. Today it operates under the direction of Alan England and Robin Tilbrook, Leader of the English Democrats Party.

Further Opinion:

UPDATE: An EDP member sets me straight.

Toque old chap please try and your facts right.

The press conference was organised and hosted by Cllr. Mike Johnson (yes he was once an EFP member) - who is now an EDP member. He was the EDP European Election campaign organiser for the NW Region. What he is now I don't know (ask Robin Tilbrook)?

All NW EDP and EFP members were invited to the press conference, and as far as I know, about 25 EDP members (including the 8 Euro candidates) and about 5 or 6 EFP members turned up.

There were four speakers - 3 from the EDP (Robin Tilbrook, Ed Abrams and Cllr. M. Johnson) and 1 from the EFP (Peter Rushton).

Those are the facts - happy

UPDATE II: Another EDP member sets me straight.

To qualify for a National Party Political Broadcast in the EU Elections you need to stand in ALL 9 English EU Regions - The North West of England, was going to let the whole project down, so at the last moment Cllr Michael Johnson, was contacted (a half cast man) to help.

He did and the Project Went ahead.

You Sir, have been rather silly with your assumptions - Gareth Young (Toque)is a member of the British Labour party, you have been tricked - think long and hard about what you have done.



Those who claim to be English civic-nationalists have some explaining to do since there is no English state and no English civic identity. Their claim to favour civic-nationalism is often a means of seeking approval from the political establishment – just as the Scottish National Party has done. It is a way of saying, I am not one of those nasty ‘ethnic-nationalists’ of whom you disapprove.

And those who claim to be communists have some explaining to do because there is no communism in England. Those "who claim to be" English civic nationalists favour the creation of an English state, or aspects of a state, in order to help create an English civic identity, to promote and foster a sense of belonging to England and, importantly, of England belonging to us. This claim does not find favour with the Establishment because the Establishment are Anglo-Brits who see English interests and British interests as indivisible; these are people for whom, Britain is "greater England".

Ethnic nationalists, like Steadfast, exist to protect and further the interests of their ethnic group. Most civic nationalists recognise that civic nationalism and ethnic nationalism are not mutually exclusive positions, but they see civic nationalism as the only platform on which to build a modern nation state because it works on the basis of individual rights and national solidarity, rather than group rights and ethnic solidarity (multiculturalism/communalism).

If civic-nationalists have 'some explaining to do', then the question arises - do ethnic nationalists have some explaining to do? Do ethnic nationalists not want England to possess the constitutional apparatus of statehood; and if not why not, does it diminish their England?

A recent article in the New Statesman highlights the identity crisis that English civic nationalists wish to correct:

Loyalty itself has different meanings in different parts of Britain. Asians in Scotland, particularly those born in Scotland, describe themselves as Scots and tend to be more loyal to Scotland than Britain. The bulk of the Muslims in Scotland now support the SNP and back the demand for an independent Scotland. Asians in Wales also describe themselves as Welsh Asians and appear comfortable with their Welsh identity. In contrast, Asians in England tend to describe themselves as British Asians; and see Englishness as an exclusive identity that is closed to them. Their local loyalty belongs to Britain as a whole and many regard the demands of their Scottish Asian brothers and sisters across the border for an independent Scotland as treason.

Ethnic nationalism has a strong cultural component, and it may be that a self-assertive and confident cultural nationalism in England can help foster a more inclusive sense of belonging in England, a pride and interest in its heritage, politics and direction. Unfortunately, although there is nothing intrinsically 'nasty' about ethnic nationalism, it's doubtful that a bunch of anglo-saxon revivalists agitating for group rights are the most suitable vehicle to deliver either a cultural or political renaissance of England. But since the UK Government won't step into the vacuum, it's not at all surprising to see the English taking things into their own hands.

In addition to Steadfast and its spin off the Steadfast Trust, there is now a relaunched "English Lobby" promising to fight discrimination against the English people:

Non English minorities, (whilst often heard in the press/BBC deriding England and the English on most fronts,) are content to seek to live in England and gain the benefits of an English education, commerce and quality of life, yet at the same time denigrate the very nation that has made them who they are. England and the English have been far too patient for far too long and are now being unfairly treated within the Union and this anti-English discrimination must cease....

The people of England have worked hard and suffered much to attain a decent level of living, and politicians appear only too ready to hand these hard won achievements to anyone “other” than the people of England themselves. This is a travesty of politics and democracy and must be brought to an end.

The English should be put FIRST in their own country – charity begins at home.

And then there's The Centre for English Policy Studies (like the English Lobby, registered to former English Democrat Christine Constable), seeking to develop "a range of targeted initiatives to the young people of England, irrespective of their race or religion".

The tentative beginnings of a majority fight-back against the race-relations industry. An understandable but regrettable development in my opinion.

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